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morning. but stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. stephanie. >> thanks, joe, mika. i'm stephanie ruhle this morning. so much to cover because donald trump is getting to work. president trump with his first full workday, set to sign a series of executive actions to pull out completely to renegotiate trade deals. >> we're going to start some negotiations, having to do with nafta. >> and breaking right now, a lawsuit being filed at this very moment. alleging president trump has already violated the constitution by not selling his businesses. one of the men behind that suit joins us live. and a term you haven't heard before. "alternative facts." after a press statement filled with falsehoods, the white house pushes back with this very bizarre argument. >> our press secretary gave alternative facts to that. >> wait a minute. alternative facts. >> alternative facts. >> a path of destruction takes
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place across the country. tornado breakout in the southeast. 18 people have already died. >> it was just terrible. awful. >> and now that wild weather is moving north. we're going to begin, of course, this morning with president trump. getting down to business. his very first monday. at the top of his agenda, plans to renegotiate the multibillion dollar trade agreement, known as nafta, and the big tpp deal in asia. donald trump wants out of that all together. remember, it was a signature of president obama. trump is expected to sign executive orders on both of them today. and at this very hour, starting right now at 9:00 a.m., he'll be bringing together leading executives from at least a dozen major manufacturers, the heads of ford, lockheed martin, u.s. steel, just some of the ceos on that guest st. and at 4:30, a huge vote where rex tillerson could confirm him
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as secretary of state. and the day is not over then. at 5:00 p.m., the president brings congressional leaders from both sides for their first meeting and we have the best team in the business covering every angle. i want to start with kristen welker, just outside the white house. kristen, looks like a lot of today will revolve around trade and the economy, almost like donald trump is trying to erase all of the gaffes of the weekend and bring us back to the business of what he got elected on. he being the jobs and economy guy. >> reporter: he's trying to turn the page. that's for sure, steph. i am told today is going to focus on trade. as you mapped out, this was a campaign promise for then candidate trump, trying to make good on that promise. here's what we're anticipating today. two executive orders that relate to trade, one announcing his intentions to renegotiate nafta. that's the trade deal signed under former president bill clinton with mexico and canada. some republicans not necessarily
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sold on that idea. they're concerned it could ultimately cost jobs. that could be setting up a little bit of fight with members of his own party. the second action we're anticipating, he's going to sign an executive order announcing his intention to pull out of tpp. that multinational trade deal that president obama was fighting for during his administration. the thing to know about that, though, steph, is that president trump is going to task his top economic advisers, his u.s. trade rep, with negotiating trade deals with the individual companies within tpp. let me redo a little bit of what we have heard from president trump on this issue. this is from the white house website, which says if our partners refuse a renegotiation that gives american workers a fair deal, the president will give notice of the united states' intent to withdraw from nafta. this was president trump's tweet from earlier today. he says, busy week with a heavy focus on jobs and national security. top executives coming in at 9:00 a.m. to talk about manufacturing
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in america. so that is how he is setting the scene here on what is being described as a day of action here at the white house. jobs, trade, the economy, all at the top of the agenda today, steph. >> all right. you mentioned a campaign promise. i would like to bring up anyone who thinks donald trump thinks no one wants to see his taxes. i would like to remind anyone, there is one person who sure would, president trump, i would love to see your taxes. time to bring in my panel. welcome to you both. so much to cover. megan, i want to start with you. people are gassed, saying nafta, you can't touch nafta. why is it a bad idea? it's a 20-year-old deal. why not renegotiate? >> when you look at what he's taking on nafta, the issue he faces, if we're going to withdraw, renegotiate with both canada and mexico, we're talking about a multiyear effort. and i think the think thing that trump's team, when we look at manufacturing to mexico, that is cheaper labor down there, of
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course. it also brings cheaper cars into the u.s. what you would see if we with drew, you're likely to see a loss of american jobs in tms ofhe supply of parts. but most importantly for his promise to t middle and working class, cars are likely to get more expensive. hundreds of thousands of cars made in mexico. they're shipped around the world. for example, you look at audi and the q5. that is based in mexico, produced in mexico and shipped to europe, shipped to america. to really change that and look at companies that have to think about their investment decisions in mexico, it's likely they won't bring their facilities to the united states. we have companies saying they're going to put jobs back in america. whether or not it becomes less cheap for them, less economical, less efficient to put those jobs in mexico, i'm not so sure they're bringing those jobs to america. >> how do we know, frank, that's what donald trump is officially going to execute? he has said over and over, that's what i'm going to do. i'm going to bring jobs back. and there has been arguments whether he really brought jobs
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back for carrier. whether we're talking ford or gm. you've got a lot of ceos that are simply afraid of donald trump. they don't want to get in his way. so this morning the first meeting he's got is with ten ceos, ceos that manufacture. this meeting was only called for yesterday. but he's meeting with u.s. steel, tesla, dow. these are major companies. sure enough, donald trump is going to sit down with them. fair to guess he's going to walk out of that meeting and say tough talking, we're going to keep jobs here. when do we prove that? when do we know, yes, he's doing that. donald trump supporters will say everything else you don't like about donald trump is noise, as long as he puts me back to work. >> yeah, we'll know that, because people will be back to work or not. you're touching on what is going to be major tension and theme of this presidency, which is theatre versus reality. you mentioned carrier, great photo ops. donald trump got a lot of headlines that for people who don't dig into the news, see it as they're driving by, it all looked very good. he is focus on theatre, optics. >> that's exactly what this
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morning will be. >> i'll use the words of newt gingrich. newt gingrich has been saying again and again in recent interviews, come 2020, if more people have jobs, if people feel their lives have improved economically, people feel safer, donald trump will be re-elected. that's the real metric, not whether he's sitting down with ceos, not whether he gets headlines. people will feel an improvement in their lives, in their safety and he's ultimately going to live and die by that, not by these short term optics. >> that meeting actually has just started. that's not the only thing happening. i want you stick with me. we have the question of ethics. at this very moment, a group called "the citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington" is filing a federal lawsuit, arguing that president trump is illegally profiting from foreign governments through his businesses, which is a violation of the constitution. richard painter is part of that group. he was the chief ethics lawyer for president george w. bush. welcome. you say that trump's business
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ties open up a whole new front for corruption. that is a strong charge, especially when the trump white house has said over and over with a smile on their face, president trump can't have conflicts of interest. so how do you back up your argument? >> well, of course, he could add conflicts of interest, and he does. and he has been talking throughout this campaign about made in america, and we're going to buy american, we're going to renegotiate all of these trade agreements and the rest of it. and that's what we're hearing this week. and the reality is that the trump business empire is receiving payments under the table from foreign governments and companies controlled by foreign governments, including banks controlled by foreign governments. and the founders anticipated this problem. and in the constitution specifically provided no one holding a position of trust within the united states government can receive benefits and payments from foreign
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governments. and yet that's what's going on. this is a violation of the constitution. and what's the point of having a tea party, throwing king george's tea into the boston harbor and putting a president there buying and selling tea with king george. and it's the same thing now. when we've had foreign governments trying to influence our elections. this is not a liberal cause or conservative cause. we want a president who is loyal to americans and who has not taken ununder the table while negotiating trade agreements that are supposed to be protecting american jobs. >> okay. take under the table off the table and let's go right on top of it. donald trump's lawyer a few weeks ago said before inauguration, he would sign papers signing off, distancing himself, separating himself from his companies, but according to pro publica, that didn't happen. >> well, he has not divested ownership of the companies. we thought he would. he said he would separate himself from his businesses. and when was in the bush white house as ethics lawyer, i
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understood that meant that you're going to sell your businesses. and that's what the office of government ethics understood to be the case. but that's not what's happening in the trump business empire. he has not sold the businesses. the businesses are profiting from foreign governments, among others. and he wilnot release the tax returns. which will demonstrate clearly where the money is coming from, where the financing is coming from. the american people are not going to put up with this. we need a president who is going to adhere to the constitution, and is going to put americans first. that was the message that we have heard consistently from president trump. and yet his actions are completely different. >> okay. well yesterday kellyanne conway said that issue has been litigated. he won, nobody cares. well, if you look at polls today without a doubt, people care. he now has to govern the nation. but if, for example, richard's lawsuit goes through, in terms of discovery, would donald trump have to put his taxes forth in a
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case like this? >> this case -- >> megan? >> this case revolves around nuanced legal issue in terms of the emoluments clause. some think because these payments are going to a trump business as opposed to donald trump himself personally that it falls outside that clause. now it's really a distraction. this goes to the core issue that you're talking about. has donald trump really gone through with his promise. not only to not just release his taxes which you and i have been discussing for months and months. but to put forward a credible plan to divest businesses in the way the american people feel confident that foreign governments and leaders are not channelling money through both his businesses -- not just his hotel in washington but striking partnerships in far-off jurisdictions to curry favor with the trump administration. that's the question we really should be addressing. yes, this lawsuit hits at it. but he has so far managed to sidestep, as you just mentioned, keeps dodging the tax return
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sue. whether the american people with foe s agenda or whether it's left to lawyers and third party people who keep this nuisance hanging on him. just donating the profits to charity. is that -- can you even donate charity profits to the treasury? so far it hasn't proven something that has galvanized the kind of attention i would have expected. >> we have a photo of the meeting taking place that i want to show right now. can we pull that up? that is the meeting taking place right now. president trump is meeting, reince priebus is in the room, katie bush, and about ten ceos with different manufacturing companies who may or may not have been donald trump supporters. when the president calls, you show up. in terms of donald trump and his businesses, think about what it's like -- thursday night, when the president-elect shows up at his hotel in washington, d.c., that he now says my son has run, i don't. shows up surprised visit and kicks up the tab for two diners. is that not promoting his --
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isn't that amazing promotion? i'm a tourist. maybe the president shows up and picks up my dinner tab. >> talking about amazing promotions. he also praised the gorgeousness. i think americans could too easily get confused about things they should not get confused about. he has said he will separate himself from the management of his business. he has not separated himself economically. his wealth is still tied into and affected by what happens with that business. and even if he's not talking to his sons about it, which is hard to believe and who polices that, he can read headlines. number two, the tax return thing is fascinating. through the whole campaign, we heard he couldn't release it because it was under audit. and now kellyanne conway saying it's been litigated, the american people don't care. the rationale has changed entirely. let's note and keep sight of that. >> we all know why he's not releasing that tax return.
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it's likely to show not only a vast array of sophisticated entities around the world and hungs of companies he set up, and likely to show he's worth a lot less and mak a lot less money than he says. >> and size matters to donald trump. crowd size and hand size, wealth size. >> and also, who his lenders are. remember, the trump organization was not an institutional client to major u.s. bank. deutsche bank was the only international bank we can find that is a major lender. so given their vast real estate portfolio, you've got to wonder who does this man and this organization owe money to. not saying there is a smoking gun in those taxes but would sure help if we could see the president-elect -- president trump. thank you so much. i did not elect president. he's our president and i accept that. okey-doke. richard, you have your work cut out for you. good luck, my friend. and you're here the whole hour. next, the new press secretary telling falsehoods. this was a mind-blower for me. really took my doors off this
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weekend on his first very first day. and then kellyanne conway calling them alternative facts. is this a strategy or worse. and communications between the president's newly sworn in national security adviser and officials. we have those details. and in case you missed it, snl came out of the gates on fire with his first show under president trump. and they did it without alec baldwin and without a shirtless vladimir putin offering advice on providing alternative facts. >> today you went to the cia and said 1 million people came to see you in washington, d.c. if you're going to lie, don't make it so obvious. you know, saying you are friends with lebron james. not that you are lebron james. s. and now much of that same advanced technology is found in the audi a4.
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you're saying it's a falsehood and they are giving sean spicer, our press secretary, gave alternative facts to that. >> wait a minute, alternative facts? >> i mean, even gave kellyanne pause for a second there. pause, alternative facts. reaction, obviously, swift and fierce to that revealing exchange on "meet the press" yesterday. it started when white house press secretary, sean spicer, said this on saturday. >> this was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration, period! both in person and around the globe. >> that's crazy town right there. joining me now, "new york times" media columnist -- i don't know how to say, it's ruetten berg, rutten berg. >> and guess what, frank murphy and megan murphy still here. >> you called that exchange, that quote, chilling. why? >> well, i'm just not used to seeing that from white house --
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from that lectern. i mean, the most watched ever. we have nielsen numbers that dispute that. the subway ridership numbers that mr. spicer cited did not bear up to scrutiny. this is the learning turn from which america speaks to the world. i was frankly surprised. >> then what is the broader thing happening? is this president trump and add his administration in their quest to sort of dismantle the media, given how important investigative journalism right now, or is this donald trump simply putting out sean spicer, because he doesn't like getting insulted and sean said, yes, sir, may i have another. >> this is a really serious point and a really, really serious issue when we look at what happened. i mean, the entire way of coughing a president if they're going to go out and do blatant falsehoods. if you're going to lie, at least lie smart, not when you have verifiable facts to iediately dispute the truth of what s said.
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the shock is that it was the very first press conference from sean spicer, who has a formal role. if this is living in the land of alternative facts and what is a blatant tit for tat, what the media needs to do is forge its own norm. go out, check facts, always call into question what they say. always remind -- not in terms of bringing and telling people what to think, but constantly hitting back at what is being told. the official narrative is probably going to be wrong or only half true. perhaps more so than has been in previous administrations. and more of the burden for fall to say the media to really question, to push and to move outside of the official statements that are given and find their own -- to actually find out and get the facts and truth and release that. it's a really hard job, made harder when official spokespeople are telling you stuff that is blatantly not true. >> you bring up a good point. i think they believe the media is in such disrepute, the public
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so distrusts us, they will believe an alternative fact. there is a difference between someone saying obamacare is working and citing these statistics, someone saying obamacare isn't and focusing on some other statistics, and talking about something as cut and dry as crowd size. anybody who has been in d.c. for inaugurations, multiple inaugurations, which i have been, can tell you it was not jammed on friday. and on saturday when the women's march happened, it was chaotic. you can measure and see it with your own eyes. this is a level of -- we have spin and become way too en you'red to spin. this is beyond spin. this is a whole new dangerous terrain. >> gabe sherman put out a tweet, saying that donald trump sent sean spicer out to give that statement. and afterwards, a long-time trump adviser said donald trump thought sean spicer did a terrible job. so -- >> is that a lie? how many -- >> so what's donald trump's motives here? >> how many aides are going to have to put their reputations on
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the funeral pierre? >> this is day one. >> but you don't do your job well if you can't convince the public of a blatant lie? >> right. and we're going to hear a lot of these undercutting things coming out of the oval office. the bottom line is that it is mr. trump's administration, and whatever he thought afterwards, will they correct it today. because it's a new day. mr. spicer is having a press briefing at 1:30. who he is going to call on. there is a lot to correct here in 24 hours. >> people have careers and personal integrity. and this is not -- it's not sustainable going forward for a long term for people to be doing things. he has -- if we're going to descend into blatant warfare for the next four years, he knows to sell some of his programs, including on nafta, manufacturing, he needs to have the media at least not in a full-out, full frontal war. it's not going to work. >> but it's not just sean spicer going out there. when donald trump went to the cia on saturday, and it was a
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good move to make that his first visit, to go and see them on their day off, but to say it's the media that created this rift between me and the intelligence agencies. it was donald trump's words making that comparison to not -- >> proves he's lying right there. >> how does donald trump make a claim like that? >> he may continue to make claims like that. what we're seeing is, this is how he campaigned. there is a big difference because he's governing now. you hear talk, his base loves it. >> i need to interrupt. i've got to bring kristen welker in, at the white house. he had a meeting with the ceos, looking right there, speaking hands with the ceo of u.s. steel, now mark fields from ford. and right there, the women from lockheed martin, the one female ceo. what do we know? >> reporter: well, a couple headlines to tell you about, steph. first of all, president trump -- in the white house told ceos
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he's going to try to decrease regulations by 75%. he's going to decrease taxes. and he was very -- >> kristen, we're going to listen in. donald trump is speaking now. >> have you set everything up so well. and i hear your company is doing well. and i really do -- appreciate we'll get to know each other very well. we'll have these meetings every -- whenever you need them, actually. but i would say a reporter perhaps. you could say monthly, but then all of a sudden monthly becomes repetitive. as we know. sounds good, but then youave to do it, and it gets a lite repetitive. but i would say probably on a quarterly basis. you are great people. you've done an amazing job. and the biggest in the world. and this is a worldwide meeting. and what we want to do is bring manufacturing back to our country. vice president pence, good morning, is -- >> morning, mr. president. >> is very much involved with me on that. one of my most important subjects. it's what the people wanted.
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it's one of the reasons i'm sitting here instead of somebody else sitting here. and i think it's something i'm good at. we've already had a big impact. and i want to thank mark and ford, because you've been great. i think that -- i think maryland is going to be terrific. we're going to find out soon, right? it's lockheed martin. and we are going to -- i think we're going to have a tremendous amount of -- if you read today's papers, you'll see what's happening with four or five different companies that announced they feel much differently. foxconn is going to spend an tremendous amount of money. so that's what we want. we want people -- we want to start making our products again. we don't want to bring them in, we want to make them here. and that doesn't mean we don't trade. we do trade. but we want to make our products here. and if you look at some of the original great people that ran
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this country, you will see that they felt very strongly about that. making products. and we're going to start making our products. and there will be advantages to companies that do indeed make their products here. so we have seen it. it's going to get -- it's going to be a wave. you watch. it's going to be a wave. and i've always said by the time you put them in these massive ships or airplanes, i think it's going to be cheaper. what we're doing is, we are going to be cutting taxes massively for both the middle class and for companies. and that's massively. we're trying to get it down to anywhere from 15 to 20%. and it's now 35%. but it's probably more 38% than it is 35. wouldn't you say? that's a big thing. a bigger thing, and that surprised me, is the fact that we're going to be cutting regulation massively.
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it will be just as strong and just as good and just as protective of the people as the regulation we have right now. the problem with the regulation we have right now is you can't do anything. you can't -- i have people that tell me they have more people working on regulations than they have doing product. and it's out of control. it's gotten out of control. i mean, very -- big person when it comes to the environment. i've received awards on the environment. but some of that stuff makes it impossible to get anything built. it takes years and years -- you know, you can look at some examples. i read one reasonable where a man trying to build a factory for many, many years, and his vote was going to be fairly soon and he gave up, because he wasn't going to win the vote. spent millions and millions of dollars. actually, ruined his life. and we can't have that. so somebody wants to put up a
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factory, it's going to be expedited. and you have to go through the process, but it's going to be expedited. and we're going to take care of the environment, take care of safety and all of the other things we have to take care. you're going to get such great service and no country is going to be faster, better, more fair, and at the same time, protecting the people of the country. whether it's safety or so many other reasons. we think we can cut regulations by 75%. maybe more. but by 75%. have in a certain way better protections. but when you want to expand your plant, or when mark wants to come and build a big massive plant or when dell wants to come in and do something monstrous and special, you're going to have your approva really fast. and the one thing that surprised me that i want to hear what you have to say, but the one thing that surprised me, going around
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and meeting with a lot of the people at this table, and meeting with a lot of the small business owners, if i gave them a choice of this massive tax decrease that we're giving for business, for everybody, but for business, or the cutting down of regulation, if i took a vote, i think the regulation wins 100%. now, in one case, it's hard dollars. and the other case, it's regulation. you would think that the regulations would have no chance. it's -- i've never seen anything like it. virtually everybody is happy with regulation than cutting taxes. so the regulations are going to be cut massively, and the taxes are going to be cut way down. so you're going to have now incentive -- incentive. the one thing i do have to warn you about. when you have a company here, you have a plant here, it's going to be in indiana, or it's in ohio, or it's in michigan.
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or it's in north carolina or pennsylvania. anywhere in this country. when it decides -- when you decide, if you decide, to close it, and you no longer will have a real reason because your taxes are going to be lower. and by the way, if you go to another state, that's it. that's great. if you can go from ohio to indiana or from indiana to ohio, that's fine. you have 50 great, wonderful governors to negotiate with. so it's not like we're taking away competition. but if you go to another country, and you decide that you're going to close and get rid of 2,000 people or 5,000 people, i tell you, technology was an example we with carrier and i got involved two years after they announced so in all fairness, that was tough. united technologies was terrific. and they brought back many of those jobs. but if that happens, we are going to be imposing a very major border tax on the product
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when it comes in. which i think is fair. which is fair. so a company that wants to fire all of its people in the united states and build some factory someplace else andhen thinks that product is going to just flow across the border into the united states, that's not going to happen. they're going to have a tax -- border tax, substantial border tax. now, some people would say -- that's not free trade. but we don't have free trade now. because we're the only one that makes it easy to come into the country. if you look at china, if you look at many other countries, they can't believe what we do. so we take -- if you want to take a plant or you want to do something, you want to sell something -- into china and other countries, it's very, very hard. in some cases, impossible. they won't even take your product. when they do take your product, they charge a lot of tax.
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so i don't call that will free trade. what we want is fair trade. and we're going to treat countries fairly, but they have to treat us fairly. if they're going to charge tax to our countries, if we sell a car into japan and they do things to us to make it impossible to sell cars into japan and they sell cars into us and they come in like by the hundreds of thousands on the biggest ships i've ever seen it's not fair. i can't believe it took so long. so i'm talking about no tax. somebody would say, oh, trump is going to tax. there is no tax. none whatsoever. we have the greatest people. and many other countries have
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great people. we all have great people, okay? this isn't that kind of a competition. everybody has great people. but if we're going to fire people and build a frod product outside, it's not going to happen. so with that, we'll take some questions. >> donald trump is taking questions from the room. some people,ockheed martin ceo, michael dell, elon musk. dow chemical, barack obama was somebody who had valley jarrett, sitting on huge balance sheets and not send spending it, because of the regulatory overhang. this is a positive for donald trump. a meeting like this. >> this is definitely his sweet spot. and not only for his campaign message that he made. you just heard the states he referenced, ohio, pennsylvania,
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indiana -- >> maryland. >> where he wants the manufacturers to go. so what he is saying, look, we think we can produce regulation by 75%. incredibly popular among corporate america. and we'll strip back your taxes, make america great. again, incredibly popular. i can tell you among the corporate elite, they were publicly gushing in their praise. privately, even more enthusiastic. here's the problem. what donald trump doesn't say in these meetings with ceos and other manufacturing leaders. >> how are you going to do it. >> there has been a reason there has been a decline. that's a structural change in the american work force. and that more and more of these traditional manufacturing jobs have been automated, being done by robots. or have moved for good reason to more competitive, more efficient jurisdictions. you cannot solve that overnight. you are going to get people saying they're announcing new jobs in america. he is going to bring manufacturing in some sense, because these ceos are frankly scared what he will do if they don't. this is a structural problem, it is about globalization. and just saying, hey, look, i'm not going to tax you if you move from indiana to wisconsin or
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michigan isn't going to solve that problem. america faces a long-term crisis, whether for the jobs of the future and not the jobs of the past. >> kristen welker, many have said donald trump got off on the wrong foot this weekend. but starting his monday morning like this, he's lacing that shoe up, and walking out on the right foot. >> reporter: he's clearly trying to turn the page, steph. he has called this a day of action, and he's trying to put that into practice. and we have seen when he was a president-elect going through his transition, really taking a hard line with a number of companies for outsourcing jobs, including on twitter, calling them out. gm, to name one recent example. and so he's making it very clear, this is going to be his strategy, moving forward. as you point out, he's going to interface with the heads of these companies in person. he is going to be engaged in this process, and it does come on the heels of what we anticipate will be two executive orders focused on trade. announcing his intentions to
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renegotiate nafta, to pull out of tpp. he's going to get some resistance on that. but he is really drawing the battle lines early, in his presidency. and trying to put the focus on jobs and trade. and, of course, those were two key issues that he campaigned on, steph. this is part of the reason why he won all of those working class voters throughout the midwest. so what we're seeing is, he's trying to put his words into practice. the question is, will it lead to broad job growth. so far, we have seen him try to preserve jobs in various companies, but the counter point to that, it's not necessarily a shift in policy. today saying we're going to focus on policy, as well, steph. >> frank, so many people have said if donald trump puts people back to work, all the noise and things you don't like will go by its wayside. most ceos yesterday morning, drinking their coffee, watching kellyanne conway, probably choking with the alternative truth. but when they walk into the white hoe th morning, when they get to high-five gary cohn
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of goldman sachs, they have got to feel good sitting at the table, hearing donald trump's message. >> they like what he's saying. he is saying that regulations are going to be cut. and there are a lot of people who think that's the right way to go. there are going to be many more mornings where people like us gather and talk about ridiculous things that donald trump has started to talk about. he is talking about substantive things, tax reform, regulatory reform. people did elect him. the people who wanted him in the white house and who voted for them, these are exactly the things they voted for. and, yeah, i think the vos are very happy to hear it. whether that is going to turn the economy around and bring jobs to the extent he wants it to, big open question. i don't hear him talking as much as they should about innovation. i don't hear him talking about how we produce high-skilled labor force in america. that enables us to compete globally in the way we need to compete. because just tariffs and that sort of thing is not going to do it. that said, he's having a serious discussion right there. >> without a doubt. r & d is being spent on automation.
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these ceos are excited to be in the white house with the exception of elon musk, you did not see these types of ceo there was voted over the last eight years. >> one thing i want to watch, there is an element of protectionism here that is in contrast to everything you have heard from the republican party, the chamber of commerce and the donor class of that party for my entire career that, you know, is not -- you didn't hear a lot about that. but it was mixed into taxation. how will they react to that. that is a fascinating thing politically. >> to what extent will republicans roll over for him and to what extent in the name of party unity do you end up with a republican party that has a completely new orthodoxy. >> well, we'll soon find out. we'll take a break. next, new reporting on president trump's national security adviser. why are intelligence agencies investigating his contacts with russian officials? i'm speaking, of course, about mike flynn. plus, deadly tornadoes. more than 12 people killed. homes leveled down south. now the northeast is in for more
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welcome back. you're watching msnbc. i'm stephanie ruhle. the senate foreign relations committee is expected to vote for secretary of state later this afternoon. the vote for rex tillerson after john mccain and lindsey graham announced their official support. now the big question is, what will senator marco rubio do? you know he had some testy, testy exchanges with tillerson during the confirmation hearing. >> is vladimir putin a war criminal? >> i would not use that term. >> is military targeted schools -- >> would want to have more information before reaching that conclusion. >> i find it discouraging your inability to cite that which i think is globally accepted. >> joining me now is kasie hunt on capitol hill. all eyes are obviously on marco rubio today. any indication on what he's going to do? >> well, steph, i think that what you saw from lindsey graham
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and john mccain over the weekend is a key part of this. they came out and said that they will vote for tillerson when his nomination comes to a vote on the floor of the full senate. and that really ensures that his overall confirmation is all but guaranteed. this, of course, is the foreign relations committee. and the question is, just what kind of a fight, if any, does marco rubio want to pick with donald trump? it's been made clear to him privately that there likely be some repercussions if he were to vote against tillerson in this hearing committee today, that is the calculus going on behind the scenes. rubio has demanded these answers to written questions, 100-plus written questions from tillerson. they say they've gotten that back in recent days. but at this point, marco rubio is more on an island than he was before. and that may discourage him from actually voting no here in the committee. what that would mean, if he were to vote no, there is only a difference of one in
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partisanship on this committee. so if all the democrats hang together and vote no, rubio could make it so that the committee does not send its recommendation that tillerson be approved. no matter what, steph, the reality is, it's probably not going to change the fact that tillerson is very likely to be confirmed. >> i'm a rock, i'm an island, works in music, but not in real life. what is marco rubio going to do? >> he did something significant, we have to remind people. he asked tillerson to fill out this questionnaire. he also met privately with tillerson. that's not just about getting more information. that's about if he does vote yay, being able to say my last contact warrant those questions you saw in public. i've since spoken with him privately and received some assurances, i feel better now. asking the questions to be filled out, having a private meeting, that's called giving yourself some cover if you go in the direction that contradicts that tense exchange. >> ah. there you have it. all right. up next, donald trump won a lot of working class voters with his promise to renegotiate trade deals. now that he's begun that
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process, what will the removal actually mean for workers? and later, those deadly tornadoes that have killed over a dozen people. we're going to go live to the path of destruction. liberty mutual stood with me when i was too busy with the kids to get a repair estimate. i just snapped a photo and got an estimate in 24 hours. my insurance company definitely doesn't have that... you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance
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there will be advantages to companies that do indeed make their products here. so we have seen it. it's going to get -- it's going to be a way of -- you watch. it's going to be a way. and i've always said, by the time you put them in these massive ships or airplanes and fly them, i think it's going to be cheaper. >> that was president trump, just moments ago as he began a meeting with business leaders at the white house. he wasted no time when it comes to trade. and executive action could come as early as today, regarding nafta. what's more, the official white house website has been updated announcing president trump's plans to withdraw from the transpacific tip or tpp, which is the u.s. has signed.
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ali velshi joins me. donald trump said once you got on the planes and ships it would be cheaper to make it here. yet in the products donald trump made or his for giggles, they're doing because at the end of the day they do the math. >> he talks about taxing and shipping. he conveniently ignores the absolute single biggest determinant in why you make things in different parts of the world and that is wages. they're substantially cheaper, a third in mexico, in china, they're lower. if you're shipping steel, that's a problem because it's bigger and heavy. there are a million things people make that are not heavy and it's worth them to make it elsewhere. he's got to start using the full
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argue moneme argument, not half of it. >> nafta, this maybe could use negotiation. >> that's kind of what tpp was about. nafta has been in effect since 1994 but it was devieved from te canada/u.s. free trade agreement. nafta causes some problems because of mexico's low cages. this was designed in part not just to sell mexico heavy machinery and agriculture, which the u.s. does, but to try to strengthen mexico's economy back in the days when the people coming across mexico's border were mexicans and they're not now, they're central americans. the idea was to wage mexican wages and reduce emigration from
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mexico to the united states. and that part worked. >> extraordinary. and take a quick look at tpp. tpp isn't necessarily andy business. obama presented it at nike headquarters. it's 12 questions. canada, mexico, the u.s. and the rest are asian. it's so that they don't chum up with china. it's much more political than it is trade. but it would be positive for companies. the net effect is these deals are all actually really good for companies. ha they're not fantastic for workers, particularly manufacturing workers. >> it's how bernie sanders got his name on the scene. people across the country are going bernie who? ali velshi, thank you. next, the deadly tornadoes that ripped across the south killing
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millions of people are waking up to their lives turned upside down after deadly storms struck several southeastern states. the huge storm system spawned dozens of tornadoes that shredded home in southern georgia and mississippi. 18 people were killed. president trump expressed his condolences. >> i just spoke with governor nathan diehl of georgia, great state, great people, florida and alabama affected by the tornadoes and just expressed our sincere condolences for the lives taken. >> that storm system is now headed north with the powerful nor'easter that will batter coastal states with high winds and possible flooding from d.c. up till maine. mariana atencio joins us.
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what have you seen? >> reporter: it was absolutely devastating driving through here, especially as the sun came up and you started to see the extent of the damage. this is holly drive in albany, georgia, three hours south of atlanta. businesses like the one to my left just completely destroyed after this tornado ripped through this wall of cinder blocks. many businesses and homes look look this one in in dougherty county, at least three died from these twisters. the total number of fatalities is 14 in georgia alone. it's the deadliest storm in six years. authorities are focused on evacuating people from the hardest hit areas. they're telling people not to go into their homes looking for people because of the danger of power lines.
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we will be getting an update as to the damage and rescue efforts but we're told that the fear is the death toll could rise. seven counties remain under a state of emergency. stephanie? >> did people have any warning of what was coming? look at the area around you. decimated. >> reporter: they were told this was one of the areas that was going to be hit. remember, this was a storm system that just started plowing through the south since thursday. there were 47 tornadoes reportedly since thursday and throughout the weekend. so they did get some warning but i just think many did not expect the extent of the devastation to be this big. we're starting to see some people in the neighborhood just in front of me starting to look through what's left of their homes and the look of desperation on their faces shows they were not expecting this. stephanie? >> thanks so much, devastating. that weather is heading north.
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i'm stephanie ruhle. i'll see you tauo tomorrow at 9 coming up, more news with hallie jackson. >> hey, everybody. i'm hallie jackson. we have so much to get to. in just the last hour, president trump meeting with business leaders for breakfast. coming up, he's going to be issue executive orders, we think, on two of the country's biggest trade agreements. he wants to overhaul one and get out of the other one completely. >> and defendant in chief? >> president trump and his family are complying with all the ethical rules, everything they need to do to step away from his businesses and be a full-time president. >> that's what the president's team says. but coming up, we're talking to one of the lawyers filing that suit against president trump. here on capitol hill, the senate
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expected to vote on critical and controversial cabinet nominees. let's get to kristen welker. what do we know and when are the highlights coming at about 30 minutes from now? >> according to a white house official, president trump is going to sign a number of executive orders today but two of them will be focused on trade. one announcing his intention to renegotiate nafta. that's the trade deal with mexico and canada that was signed with former president bill clinton in 1994. now, president trump has called that the worst trade deal ever negotiated. he wants to tear it up, start from scratch, impose tariffs on canada and mexico. it could have unintended consequences. they say it could ultimately kind wind up costing tens of thousands of u.s. jobs.


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